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explode the bazaar your e-ticket ride is

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the world of a paranoid strap yourself

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here as we traverse the universe

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exploring the unexplained UFO ghost lost

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world

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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NASA night now your electrifying hosts

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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Kings Wars oh my god aah trim waiter

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you're running too fast it is I suppose

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it goes to toast an alien ha Tim they

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got me again they they just threw me

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back onto the ground after examining me

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for the last two hours or was it two

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days you know I I don't even know I've

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got these marks all over all over my

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body

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gosh uh I you know I've gotta stop doing

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this there's only so much that I could

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possibly handle of this alien abduction

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phenomena but tonight is not the night

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to stop him is it hey how are you up

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there injury SPN well they've the aliens

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had me for more than a week Tim and I

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just finally got away well you know I

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was wondering why I hadn't heard from

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you somebody in the family uh it was

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taken away or got married or

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yes I had my niece got married last week

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and I was extremely honored to be the

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officiant at her wedding so we had a

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very nice time in Florida and now back

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again for more exploring the bizarre

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well you know if you're going to get

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married which I never have I would think

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that Florida would be an excellent place

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to go to tie the tie the knot although I

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kind of like the Virgin Islands myself

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it's kind of exotic and a little bit

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further away from the hustle and bustle

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of Miami and Beach you know and and all

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of that but I guess that's just because

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I'm a world in otherworldly traveler as

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you can as you can tell I've been I've

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been all over the universe but not as

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far as our guests to have been so Tim

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why don't you introduce who we're going

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to be speaking with this evening and

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welcome them into our chamber why of

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course Tim with us tonight is Peter

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Robbins who has been on our show before

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several times numerous times so it's

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it's always great to have Peter on with

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us and with Peter we're very happy to

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have with us

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Cate gorvahlsen now kate is no reason

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born and she's a multimedia artist and

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is an experiencer and she's had unusual

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experiences all of her life which I

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think she has written at her person

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calendar happened at the age of three

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and she she feels that she could be a

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hybrid of sorts and has a 25 symmetrical

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supposedly from her interactions with

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ultra terrestrial so Kate Peter thank

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you very much for being with us tonight

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on exploring the bizarre so happy to

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have you with us

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well you know the reason that I pair the

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the guests up this evening

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I met the Kate for the first time of

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course I've competed for a long time who

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looked up a Kate yet a Kate I met

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several weekends ago in Pine Bush New

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York where she was speaking and telling

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people about her experiences and I know

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very little about what she has undergone

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that is why we have with us tonight

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Peter Robbins because Peter Robb

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not only has had experiences of his own

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in New York as well as in the UK but he

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was also Budd Hopkins a assistant for a

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number of years so if anybody knows

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about the ins and outs of abductees and

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experiencers it would be mr. Robbins and

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Peter thank you for joining us tonight

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and thank you for introducing us to Kate

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now I'm wondering where to begin well

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why didn't you give us a little bit

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about your background with Budd Hopkins

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how exactly did you meet but and how is

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it that he selected you to be his

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assistant well good evening Tim Tim and

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Tina and on Kate

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to kind of get things on a level playing

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field here you and I have known each

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other for what eight or nine hundred

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years easy now and for me one of the

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most welcomed aspects of doing this work

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which I find challenging as important as

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any investigative work that is can be

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done is actually for a lot of people

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it's somewhat anxiety provoking and I

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enjoy doing your guys show because it's

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always informed by a certain amount of

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humor but these subjects that were

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really talking about are not at all

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funny

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they're extraordinarily challenging and

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I have always felt since even before I

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began to work with but that those

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witnesses experiencers abductees who

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have the courage to become public people

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in this work not only should have our

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gratitude but our respect and our

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tension as you know Tim because you are

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also a friend of my dear late sister

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Ellen my involvement in this field began

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40 years ago literally turning on a dime

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from my career as a New York painter to

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becoming an essentially full-time

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investigator full-time part-time of this

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phenomena that my interest in the whole

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UFO phenomena stem from my interest with

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an obsession with certainly for years

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with people who like my sister have been

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taken returned or have confronted these

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other intelligences directly you're

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correct in characterizing that I have

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had experiences but my experiences

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dramatic as they've been to me have been

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really in the form of sightings one with

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kind of a caveat to it with Helen and

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then the one that I had in the UK with

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my former co-author on left at Eastgate

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Larry Warren in February of 1988 so from

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early 1975 I started to read try to

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inform myself but I was very cautious

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about connecting with people who said

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that they took it seriously too

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everybody knows that anybody who's a

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grown-up who takes flying saucers and

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little green men seriously is is crazy I

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mean look at yourself for example well

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I'm sitting here with a tin foil on my

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head exactly but it was about a year

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after that that I happen to be going by

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a newsstand in our beloved Manhattan and

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I did a double take because there was a

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featured article on a UFO incident that

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had occurred the year before on the

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cover of all publications The Village

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Voice which back then was a weekly that

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had nothing to do with UFOs progressive

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possibly even might be described by

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the dreaded L word and I don't mean

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lesbian although that said there too yes

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and I bought it and I took it home and

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read it up until that time I had read a

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number of books as well as article clips

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almost all of them from tabloids like

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the National Enquirer and I had never

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actually read an actual well done

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investigation that was grammatically

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correct and in fact brilliantly put

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together it was written by a man named

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Budd Hopkins Budd spelled with two DS at

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the time all my life was about was

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art scene and in the back of my mind I

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remembered seeing the work of a late

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period abstract expressionist at a group

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show some time before that named Budd

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Hopkins I wanted to talk to this guy as

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I literally as I finished the article

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and went to my copy of the now long

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defunct giant-monster New York City

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phone book there's only one Budd Hopkins

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in a book with two DS or one and I

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called called him and introduced myself

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as a fellow painter teaching at the

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School of Visual Arts showing my work

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downtown who had had a UFO sighting the

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year before and a sister who claimed to

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have been taken and returned but first

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question to me had nothing to do with

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UFOs or my sister he wanted to know what

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minimalism conceptual art and he was

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less than impressed he was a genuine

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old-school painter but he was pleasant

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and certainly polite wanted to know more

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about the sighting and even more about

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my sister's incident and that was how I

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first got invited over to have coffee

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and a talk with him it is a wonderful

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home on West 16th Street it was a

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life-changing afternoon for me although

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probably had several hundred cups of

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coffee at that table and more than my

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fair share of shots of scotch and we

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talked about art life and UFOs this was

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five-years Tim and Tim before bud had

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published his first UFO book that came

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out in 1981 and it changed the course of

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UFO studies in America and the world it

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was called missing time and it dealt

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with just that that phenomena where a

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loss of memory often coming in at about

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90 minutes ultimately was seen as a

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clear indication of a UFO abduction

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incident after the book was published

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and the term became something of the

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household term if somebody says to

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another person missing time most people

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in our culture understand that it's

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referring to the UFO phenomena and not

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that you lost some time somewhere after

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the book came out he was inundated with

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calls letters as well before email and

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needed some help we had become friends

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over the preceding years seeing each

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other every couple of months and I knew

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this was going to be important work and

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I thought it might give me a leg up on

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helping me and my sister understand what

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had happened to her also the fact that

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we had other things in common a love of

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the Arts travel our wonderful city

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literature etc made him comfortable with

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me and be comfortable with him and we

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fell into something of a routine I

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witnessed many hypnotic regressions had

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the privilege of sitting in on many

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interviews with abductees and taking

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case histories meeting with them and

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their families and developed I think a

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pretty good rapport in such situation

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finally in 1987 his international

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bestseller intruders was published and

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really put him on the map after that the

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calls the visits the news folks

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interviews invitations to speak just

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shot through the roof and at a certain

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point it became a very full-time

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part-time job and that is how I met bud

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well why don't you tell us then Peter

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then how did you meet how did you meet

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Kate and where that went from yes good

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question Tim Kate and I met where any

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nice American would go to be a Norwegian

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woman which was southern Brazil of

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course exactly I didn't even have to say

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it I was speaking at a conference there

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one of the great conferences sponsored

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by my dear friend and colleague age age

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of art and Kate came along with a friend

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of hers erling what's early his last

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name Kate dumb curling is one of

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Norway's most respected UFO researchers

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grounded and really quietly brilliant

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sightings in a certain concentrated area

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in Norway Kate and I talked she told me

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some of what had happened to her

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and of all of it one of the things that

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fascinated me most about her experiences

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was that they seemed to have left her

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with knowledge of a subject she had

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never trained him studied or had any

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background in now working with but over

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the years I was familiar with cases

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where people and I don't see the

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some mystical thing of the aliens gave

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me this power and in some cases you know

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that may be the case but sometimes when

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you have these experiences a low-lying

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talent makes its way to the surface a

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good example is Mike Rogers who was

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Travis Waltons best friend and the crew

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chief of their logging crew at the time

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of his famous abduction it was Mike

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behind the wheel of that truck that

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night who made the decision to drive

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away from that site something which

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Travis has always agreed was the right

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thing to do but cause tremendous stress

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and consternation for Mike later on in

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life if you look at a copy of the

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Travis's outstanding book fire in the

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sky

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that is illustrated all those

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illustrations in that book and they're

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all very professional we're done by Mike

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Rogers who never studied art Mike felt

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it was just something that came up that

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he wanted to develop and did but with

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Kate it was different because what her

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knowledge was that nothing else could

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account for was in a very specific area

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of physics so much so that she was in

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correspondence with physicists and was

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already working on a book about physics

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which she is will have out I would guess

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either if not by the end of this year

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sometime next year

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this fascinated me as somebody who was

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dyslexic and as we they used to say in

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my day bad at math I still spin sixes

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and nines around and have to check my

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figures this was something absolutely

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remarkable

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well after meeting em in Brazil we

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continued to stay in contact and last

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year when I told her that I was going to

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be speaking at a conference in Glasgow

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Scotland she decided to join me there

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and met some of my colleagues and

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friends and UFO studies there we had a

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chance to spend more time together and

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see some of that great city and more

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recently I guess you could say I acted

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as her sponsor in part to bring her to

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America so that she could give her very

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first talk at an American UFO conference

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and Tim Beckley of course heard that

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last month in little Pine Bush New York

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and it was a great talk and Kate is for

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me one of the most unique people in this

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field we didn't know that I didn't know

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this in Brazil I'm not I don't think

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Kent knew it even at that time but as

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Tim said earlier in the show scans have

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revealed and I think the count is 25

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symmetrically placed implants just below

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the skin you can see them as small

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circular disks in these scans and I have

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to add here for anybody in the audience

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that you know you're sitting there in

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the armchair and nodding your head and

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smiling slightly there's no contesting

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this this is the real deal

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they are just below the skin more small

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magnets stick to them and that is

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without any aid and as Kent has wisely

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informed people in demonstrating them

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these are best done after you wash your

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face and dry it so that you know no skin

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oil or you know body oil whatever will

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assist them in sticking another thing

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that impressed me about and it's funny

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you catch yourself with language to use

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the word case which we do so often in

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this field de personalizes things to

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such a degree sometime because every

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involves very real people many of whom

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are at effect of these experiences Kent

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for me is not she is comfortable in her

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own skin people have suggested to her or

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asked her you know why don't you remove

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these things as far as she is concerned

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as she will of course articulate they're

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there for a reason

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and you know and why cut into yourself

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because you're paranoid that you know

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there's something there that shouldn't

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be there if it is not causing any

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problem and may in fact be an asset even

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though you do not know the specifics of

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it so that's really our background and I

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just think the world of her and I am so

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glad that we had a chance to meet and

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continue on this road but I think at

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this point unless either of you guys

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have any additional questions we should

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turn this over to work well we will we

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were just a couple of minutes until our

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bottom of the hour breaks and they're

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going to wait then when we come in we'll

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do this but you know I just I just want

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to make a combat real quick before we

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went to the break you know you talked

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about you know how some of people who've

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had these abductions experiences come

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back you know enhanced it really would

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be you know like a word you know

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possibly you know with a an interest in

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you know mathematics or physics or music

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even and I just read an article about

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too long ago that was referring to

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people who have had traumatic

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experiences head injuries you know

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similar cases like that who have had

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then come out of it with a like just

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extreme mathematic abilities and

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things like that but before I'll let

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anybody comment on that we are going to

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go to our bottom of the hour break and

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when we come back we will continue our

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conversation with Peter and Kate on the

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mighty exploring the bazaars so stay

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tuned now back to exploring the bazaar

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with two of the most electrifying

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researchers with harriel your host

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Timothy Rebecca Lee panting Swartz and

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welcome back to explore in the bazaar

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I'm Jim Schwartz tonight we are talking

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with Peter Robin and Robin's

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Sarika Peter and Kay gorvahlsen and I in

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Kate you and Peter were in that of a the

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the Pine Bush UFO fest old not too long

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ago where you talked to the audience

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what what was your reaction there in the

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in in Pine Bush I mean we're ooh were

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people interested in what you had to say

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yeah I must say that they were very

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interested in the subject and especially

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when I was starting to demonstrate the

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magnets but why don't we why do we start

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as at the the beginning and we'll get to

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the magnets in a little while

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when was your I mean okay you've had

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these experiences they've lasted most of

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your life as I understand but when did

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they start it under what the

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circumstances cake I was actually just

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two years old it was almost Christmas

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and my mother she has been putting me to

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bed and left the room and I remember I

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was standing in the crib and standing

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there watching in the dark and I wasn't

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tired I I didn't want to go to sleep and

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yeah looking in in the room are looking

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at the window and I don't know for how

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long I was standing there like that but

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suddenly out of nowhere

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not a sound nothing there's coming this

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little

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des creature just gliding through the

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wall coming into the wall from from a

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left side and guiding over the floor and

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then they were standing in front of me

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of the crib and it was just a little bit

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taller than me anything are you sure it

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wasn't one of Santa's elves ha ha funny

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I speak up in my head I have been told

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by my mother that Santa Claus will be

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coming soon and in my little head I put

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the word Santa on this little creature

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that has offered so I believed it

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affected Santa that was standing there

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and I was trying to I was trying to say

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something but in my way but I understood

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very quickly that word words was what is

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necessary so we were standing there

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looking at each other and had a

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communication between our heads and it

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just gave me the expression I the

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feeling that he was there to check up on

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me to see if I was okay yeah and after a

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little while then he was just gliding

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the same way he was coming out through

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the wall again and a few seconds later

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then I saw this creature together with

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someone together with another one inside

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of Christ in front of the window and we

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were living at the second floor and

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there was no possibility that there were

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life from the cars or anything because I

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could actually see the craft I can see

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them in front of the window and then

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let's just take off and the next thing

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what would you what did I I mean I

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realize you're only three years old and

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it's a long long time ago but do you

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remember what the craft looked like and

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a little bit it's difficult to explain

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but I have recognized to this but I see

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what about the what about the the

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creatures I mean did they look like you

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know like me what we know now as the

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stereotypical you know gray with the big

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eyes and big head that sort of thing

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yeah there was their small and this one

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was a little bit taller than me when he

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was standing in front of the crib and he

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had this huge black eyes so yeah um

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I remember that the next day I was

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telling my mother that oh I am a Santa

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Claus and of course they didn't pay any

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attention to it because they were

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thinking okay yeah and a few days later

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there was actually the Christmas and I

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remember my mother she was picking me up

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carry me on over armed into the TV room

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because now us I was supposed to meet

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Santa and now oh I'm going to miss Santa

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again and that creature that was meeting

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me in the TV room that wasn't Santa that

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was some some person dressed up in red

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red suit and a fake beard and a soft

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plastic face and I was screaming my head

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off I was terrified I didn't like that

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sense I give me my son back yeah I

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remember it very well

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oh how ironic that the Santa that is

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supposed to make you happy actually

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terrified you as opposed to something

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really strange that came into your room

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yet to you you found that to be a

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pleasant experience yeah I did because

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the less creatures was not giving me

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anything else a good feeling and like I

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said he was different to check if I was

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okay well what why would he think you

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were not okay I mean why I mean do you

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think it this sir is there a reason that

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they I mean why out of everybody living

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in the the town where you live would

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they they pick you Kate yeah that's a

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that's has been a long life question why

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why did you come just to my place and

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asked me to see if I was okay and yeah I

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think that over the years maybe I have

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to be something that they have been

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working on from before with my mother or

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I don't know the possibilities are there

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real Dave's ever they've never told told

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you why they why they're coming no they

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haven't have you asked them I think that

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probably blamed not I haven't been

542
00:29:14,890 --> 00:29:12,380
asking them I think that they have been

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let's lift that over to me that I had to

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00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,630
walk that road that everyone else has to

545
00:29:24,370 --> 00:29:20,240
do to find out who they are

546
00:29:27,450 --> 00:29:24,380
so long in the light oh yeah you're

547
00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:27,460
three years old and you've had these

548
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:30,830
beings pass through the the wall now

549
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:32,990
that that's a pretty common denominator

550
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:37,130
in in abduction experiences Peter how

551
00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:41,120
many cases if you've heard of where you

552
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:44,120
know the these beings have come through

553
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:47,090
walls or doorways or windows or rules or

554
00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:49,340
our cars or what have you

555
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:52,190
quite honestly more than I can recall to

556
00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:54,610
him but I would say conservatively

557
00:30:00,730 --> 00:29:57,590
several hundred easily easy right

558
00:30:02,830 --> 00:30:00,740
probably a good 25 percent of all the

559
00:30:05,530 --> 00:30:02,840
cases if not more I would guess I don't

560
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:05,540
that more yeah yeah more okay okay okay

561
00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:07,340
so you've had this experience at three

562
00:30:13,419 --> 00:30:09,740
and you decided you like the aliens

563
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:13,429
better than Santa and myself I was stuck

564
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:16,250
on crumpets but that's another exit

565
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:20,240
oh okay so when okay did you tell you it

566
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,100
your parents obviously they thought that

567
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,520
you were hitting the the baby bottle or

568
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:27,440
two of too much or something I was close

569
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:33,130
but but when was your next experience

570
00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:38,750
now I was just 10 years old in that time

571
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:41,320
of life there was a little bit tough and

572
00:30:46,030 --> 00:30:43,700
very often I was crawling out on the

573
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,040
roof at night when everyone else was

574
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:47,840
going to sleep and then I was going out

575
00:30:51,610 --> 00:30:49,190
there and sitting there on the roof and

576
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:51,620
looking for the stars and having this

577
00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:53,809
big feeling inside me that I didn't

578
00:30:57,220 --> 00:30:54,440
belong here

579
00:31:01,210 --> 00:30:57,230
I want to go home somewhere out there is

580
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:01,220
my home it's not here and well one night

581
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:03,110
there was this big big bright light over

582
00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:06,740
my head and that's what I remember the

583
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:08,900
next morning I was I was waking up in my

584
00:31:16,299 --> 00:31:11,809
bed I was thinking what how did I end up

585
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:16,309
end up here and normally I was a typical

586
00:31:23,169 --> 00:31:19,610
normal girl at the 10 years old as I

587
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:23,179
loved horses and I was drawing horses I

588
00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:25,010
was talking horses I was even breeding

589
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:28,700
horses I felt and instead of drawing

590
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:30,440
horses are talking about them then I

591
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:32,809
started to talk about aliens I was even

592
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:34,020
painting this

593
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,120
aliens and talking about other

594
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:38,880
life-forms and planetary systems and all

595
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,130
kind of stuff so yeah I remember the

596
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:43,320
face of the teacher at the school he was

597
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:47,100
thinking that I was becoming nuts they

598
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:49,410
did a day I get in touch with your

599
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:53,580
parents and say this said your daughter

600
00:32:02,570 --> 00:31:57,690
is a obsessed with the little beings no

601
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:02,580
they didn't know they didn't but my

602
00:32:06,410 --> 00:32:04,740
mother she is she kept one of the

603
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:06,420
drawings I made when I was 10 years old

604
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:08,220
and so I still actually have it

605
00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:14,640
that's fun and well okay so but now on

606
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:17,280
the second experience was there any sort

607
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:22,890
of communication with them under under

608
00:32:28,550 --> 00:32:25,320
our hypnosis many many years later we

609
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,560
found out what was happening at that

610
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:30,000
point and that was very much the same

611
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,250
that was happening when I had my last

612
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:35,100
close encounter with them well they tell

613
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:37,860
us what would tell us what what did what

614
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:39,510
happened to you under hypnosis I mean

615
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:44,100
what what did you recall I recall that

616
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:46,980
there was a taking the app to this to

617
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:49,110
the craft and then putting me on a table

618
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:51,030
and I have a lot of these kind of

619
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:52,320
instruments that they were putting

620
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:56,070
inside my nose and ears and so on but it

621
00:33:00,980 --> 00:32:58,050
was particularly my nose and I love my

622
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:00,990
smelling and my sense of smelling when I

623
00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:04,490
was at ten years old so that was the

624
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:08,180
physical difference after that with it

625
00:33:14,510 --> 00:33:11,850
but yeah it wasn't happening so much at

626
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:14,520
that point that I remember even from

627
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:17,820
hypnosis now were the I knew your second

628
00:33:24,530 --> 00:33:21,150
encounter were they the same little the

629
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:24,540
beings that visit you the near first

630
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:27,110
occasion yeah they were the thing

631
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,080
identical yeah a little like clones or

632
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:33,960
were they the same I mean they were the

633
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:35,280
same different for me they have never

634
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:38,010
been clones or robots or anything like

635
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:39,200
that

636
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:41,610
so another was your meeting with the

637
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,130
same for lack of a better term

638
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:47,760
individuals yeah and

639
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:50,460
do they indicate to you where they might

640
00:33:58,810 --> 00:33:55,500
be coming from no they didn't do you

641
00:34:02,450 --> 00:33:58,820
think it's offworld or is a day on

642
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:02,460
interdimensional building or how do you

643
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:05,940
equate it in in your own mind maybe both

644
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,520
I think that they are actually both but

645
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:10,320
I think that they are interacting with

646
00:34:14,870 --> 00:34:12,090
seven different kind of world

647
00:34:17,660 --> 00:34:14,880
that's because it's just our world is

648
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:17,670
very much like a radio station it's all

649
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:20,850
about frequency so you can very easily

650
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:23,460
swap or sweep or if you're saying it

651
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:26,850
from one frequency to another so that's

652
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:28,200
why they're so easily to just

653
00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:30,300
disappearing too so that's what they are

654
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:35,340
doing now I have Europe in other when

655
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:36,990
you've had these how many experiences

656
00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:40,560
have you had up until now and then I

657
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:42,840
have lots of love lots of experiences

658
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:44,490
with them but I just had three Close

659
00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:45,060
Encounters

660
00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:47,580
and this dispersal especially the last

661
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:50,190
one that was most heavy okay what tell

662
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:51,690
it tell us about that when was the last

663
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:56,460
one and how was it heavy and I was 28

664
00:35:01,400 --> 00:34:59,130
years old I was going to stay on in this

665
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:01,410
cabin in the Google Mountain House thing

666
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:04,200
it was almost 20 kilometers the next

667
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:06,660
next people so I was really going to be

668
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:08,730
alone out there and working on my book

669
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,460
and I was supposed to be there for two

670
00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:13,950
months but I was just staying there for

671
00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:17,340
one week so it was it was becoming a

672
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:21,120
very short trip I was going to bed at

673
00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:24,120
night and waking up next morning and I

674
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:27,030
had this it this was not a pillow mark

675
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,920
this was a big difference from a normal

676
00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:30,960
pillow mark this was a mark like

677
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:35,340
something metal or yeah like a fork that

678
00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:37,290
has been grabbing onto onto your face

679
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:40,860
and I could see this is very clear marks

680
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:44,280
over my eyes and I had this grayish

681
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:47,940
greenish dried materia throat from my

682
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,210
nose and from one of my eyes and my

683
00:35:56,090 --> 00:35:53,400
first reaction was oh [\h__\h] I'm going to

684
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:56,100
be sick or something but I didn't and

685
00:36:01,329 --> 00:35:59,490
the day went as normal and when what

686
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:01,339
when the evening was coming again I was

687
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:03,170
like a stress animal in a cage because I

688
00:36:08,589 --> 00:36:05,210
knew something was happening and I

689
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:08,599
didn't remember why so I think that I

690
00:36:12,009 --> 00:36:10,219
was reading the same magazine maybe 20

691
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:12,019
times that next night because I didn't

692
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:14,599
dare to fall asleep so I was getting in

693
00:36:18,729 --> 00:36:16,130
contact with those people that was

694
00:36:20,529 --> 00:36:18,739
opening the cabin so the next day there

695
00:36:22,209 --> 00:36:20,539
was coming up and seeking picking me up

696
00:36:27,749 --> 00:36:22,219
and brought it back to this society

697
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:31,900
that we could really hear and I see the

698
00:36:36,299 --> 00:36:34,190
difference because when I was coming

699
00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:36,309
back then you have all the electricity

700
00:36:40,829 --> 00:36:39,140
you know what that your mobile phone

701
00:36:43,299 --> 00:36:40,839
charger if you're putting that in a wall

702
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:43,309
normally not your normal hearing you

703
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:46,609
can't hear it and when I was putting my

704
00:36:51,989 --> 00:36:48,890
mobile phone in the wall it sounds like

705
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:51,999
a really really bad microphone feedback

706
00:36:59,049 --> 00:36:55,729
that is really yelling at you so it was

707
00:36:59,739 --> 00:36:59,059
really terrible and I could hear light

708
00:37:02,019 --> 00:36:59,749
bulbs

709
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:02,029
I couldn't hear all kinds of mechanic

710
00:37:06,969 --> 00:37:03,890
stuff that was inside the music machines

711
00:37:08,859 --> 00:37:06,979
or whatever and I needed to put the dots

712
00:37:10,479 --> 00:37:08,869
in my ears to get all the sounds down

713
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:10,489
even though people were talking it was

714
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,729
just too loud and I remember my

715
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,440
boyfriend at the time he was the leader

716
00:37:20,709 --> 00:37:18,079
of the year for Norway he was picking me

717
00:37:23,739 --> 00:37:20,719
up and brought me back down towards the

718
00:37:25,479 --> 00:37:23,749
place where we were living and for a

719
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:25,489
long time ago he was buying this perfume

720
00:37:31,059 --> 00:37:29,359
to me I never never sensed it but I was

721
00:37:33,759 --> 00:37:31,069
putting it on just to please him for

722
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,769
myself I never never smelled itself yeah

723
00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:36,079
this time I was doing the same thing

724
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,599
going out to his office just to turn

725
00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:40,160
around to walk inside again to wash it

726
00:37:45,370 --> 00:37:41,960
off it was just too much so am i

727
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:45,380
smelling was back too so I'm the light

728
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:48,049
sensitive and yeah even today I'm still

729
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:51,460
light sensitive and we can hear too much

730
00:37:58,569 --> 00:37:55,190
when I came to my mind yeah friends

731
00:38:00,519 --> 00:37:58,579
places and say over I always ask each

732
00:38:02,319 --> 00:38:00,529
other and o'clock in the room and

733
00:38:04,359 --> 00:38:02,329
they're normally saying oh don't worry

734
00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:04,369
it's not a tic-tac it's a lexical clock

735
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,329
okay so what when I was staying in

736
00:38:12,759 --> 00:38:10,640
London in my friends place there we had

737
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:12,769
to take out the clock and even put out

738
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:15,230
the electricity in the wall

739
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,130
then it was quite enough so yeah well

740
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:21,440
now what why do you think that is though

741
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:27,230
I mean that's a peculiar reaction to to

742
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:30,680
an encounter or a contact like this yeah

743
00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:32,990
and after that we were we were finding

744
00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:35,270
this guy in Oslo that was a doctor that

745
00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:37,900
was doing hypnosis and regressions and

746
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:40,520
he was putting me under there and under

747
00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:43,910
hypnosis and then we find out that I had

748
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:46,700
gone to bed at night and then suddenly

749
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:48,170
there was this bright light in my

750
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,680
bedroom

751
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:50,720
and there were was one of this tall

752
00:38:54,730 --> 00:38:53,210
grace not the small ones but it was one

753
00:38:57,099 --> 00:38:54,740
of the twelve one that was picking me up

754
00:38:59,859 --> 00:38:57,109
bringing me into this into the room and

755
00:39:01,330 --> 00:38:59,869
the fireplace that that big room I can't

756
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:01,340
say the TV room because she was no TV

757
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:04,880
there but yeah living room there are

758
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,730
just two three small grace that was

759
00:39:12,070 --> 00:39:09,920
started working on me I was like

760
00:39:13,570 --> 00:39:12,080
floating in the air and they were

761
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:13,580
standing around me and I was putting

762
00:39:19,570 --> 00:39:16,850
this helmet on me and were this big

763
00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:19,580
needles going into my ears and this fork

764
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:22,340
thing look-alike that was going into my

765
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:25,670
nose and I always been never touch my

766
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:30,290
nose we had this this didn't frighten

767
00:39:36,070 --> 00:39:33,200
you I mean if if somebody came along and

768
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:36,080
took me into a room and I don't even

769
00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:37,850
like to go to the doctors I mean or the

770
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:41,300
dentist I mean I I would be the peep

771
00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:43,430
this is how about this I don't think I

772
00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:45,950
would look forward to my next encounter

773
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:50,900
and I've been I was at that point and it

774
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:52,940
wasn't Pleasant it wasn't nice but I was

775
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:54,170
getting the feeling that they were of

776
00:39:59,170 --> 00:39:56,810
not doing it to hurt me in any way I was

777
00:40:01,359 --> 00:39:59,180
get yeah I'm comparing it like a dentist

778
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:01,369
hour and you are doing it because it's

779
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:04,430
necessary and then it's not always

780
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:06,770
needed to be pleasant but I remember

781
00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:08,090
that when I was coming to a certain

782
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,000
point then I in that moment then I

783
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:12,800
remembered what happens when I was ten

784
00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:16,130
years old and from that moment I asked

785
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:17,660
them please don't let me remember

786
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:19,640
anything else and from that moment

787
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:22,940
everything was gray completely gray my

788
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:25,550
whole memory was wiped out and this guy

789
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:27,530
does that the hypnotist he was working

790
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:28,970
on me for two hours

791
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:32,450
trying to get a hold on that gray area

792
00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:38,720
but he couldn't so yeah well I don't I

793
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:40,849
mean don't you think Delta okay if this

794
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:43,670
has been going on you know all these

795
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:47,510
years that by this time they would have

796
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:50,330
all if they're looking for DNA or your

797
00:40:53,950 --> 00:40:52,910
blood pressure or whatever it is that

798
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:53,960
they're looking for

799
00:41:00,099 --> 00:40:55,369
don't you think that they would have a

800
00:41:02,050 --> 00:41:00,109
grasp on that by now maybe that's why I

801
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:02,060
haven't been seen you seen them for some

802
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:04,670
time because they have already demo

803
00:41:09,339 --> 00:41:07,220
material place or I'm ready yeah I like

804
00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:09,349
a joke I like to joke about magnet and

805
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:11,030
not magnet but the implants acid is

806
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:14,030
already - more than GPS system so they

807
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:15,770
know where to track me because I can be

808
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:18,410
difficult attraction well did you do you

809
00:41:24,609 --> 00:41:20,930
do you think that they have they have

810
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,619
implanted you with some device I don't

811
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:26,480
know it looks like they have been doing

812
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,490
it because I didn't know about this for

813
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:30,800
years because this happens the back is

814
00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:34,300
this Close Encounters had happened in

815
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:37,580
yeah when I was 28 this is so many years

816
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:41,720
ago before 2000 and actually now it was

817
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:44,570
just in 2060 in January last year I

818
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:48,260
found out that I had in fact of course

819
00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:49,609
over the years I've been thinking of

820
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:52,040
maybe I have someone maybe I don't I'm a

821
00:41:56,829 --> 00:41:54,770
little bit lazy on this area because I'm

822
00:42:00,089 --> 00:41:56,839
actually not interested in the UFO stuff

823
00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:00,099
it's just a part of my life another

824
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:04,760
world where would we find the implant I

825
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:08,390
had to in the management it's not that

826
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:10,609
good but always I'm striving for the

827
00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:11,960
words maybe Peter can explain that

828
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:13,430
easier for me because they know where

829
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:18,500
they are sitting the implants that have

830
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:22,070
been documented in cat's body run down

831
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,400
her spine and kind of almost like a

832
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:29,359
necklace along the collarbone area and

833
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:35,410
then up by the sinus area and they are

834
00:42:42,019 --> 00:42:38,570
symmetrical it's the damnedest thing and

835
00:42:44,839 --> 00:42:42,029
I have seen you know images of

836
00:42:50,689 --> 00:42:44,849
parts of the scan and there they are

837
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:50,699
they're perfectly round and where one is

838
00:43:00,429 --> 00:42:54,599
on one side another one is on the other

839
00:43:04,299 --> 00:43:00,439
it's it's so blatant and it's so

840
00:43:08,779 --> 00:43:04,309
incontrovertible there is no possibility

841
00:43:13,999 --> 00:43:08,789
and let me be blunt here of fraud or any

842
00:43:16,219 --> 00:43:14,009
type of shenanigans also bear in mind I

843
00:43:20,179 --> 00:43:16,229
guess there are people in fact I know

844
00:43:23,959 --> 00:43:20,189
there are who because of their makeup or

845
00:43:28,809 --> 00:43:23,969
their needs or who knows what have a

846
00:43:32,959 --> 00:43:28,819
need for attention this is not the way

847
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:32,969
most people would look for attention

848
00:43:40,099 --> 00:43:36,209
aside from these things you know if ket

849
00:43:44,299 --> 00:43:40,109
had not had these experiences she is a

850
00:43:46,789 --> 00:43:44,309
professional artist she is a citizen of

851
00:43:50,709 --> 00:43:46,799
Norway she has had many regulation life

852
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:50,719
experiences this is not the way a

853
00:43:57,919 --> 00:43:54,169
well-balanced person would want to

854
00:44:00,289 --> 00:43:57,929
become well known and I do consider get

855
00:44:03,859 --> 00:44:00,299
a very well-balanced person this is just

856
00:44:06,609 --> 00:44:03,869
another aspect of her life and I think

857
00:44:11,269 --> 00:44:06,619
she handles it with a great deal of

858
00:44:14,209 --> 00:44:11,279
class and it's not you know um the

859
00:44:16,329 --> 00:44:14,219
obsessive yeah yeah you you understand

860
00:44:19,549 --> 00:44:16,339
yeah well let me ask you this Peter

861
00:44:22,759 --> 00:44:19,559
getting back to your work briefly with

862
00:44:25,339 --> 00:44:22,769
the bud and and when people rated it

863
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:25,349
wasn't okay but people have been

864
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:28,169
critical uh you know of hypnosis and

865
00:44:33,469 --> 00:44:30,689
then well you know all the other things

866
00:44:35,449 --> 00:44:33,479
is negative just everybody can you can

867
00:44:38,659 --> 00:44:35,459
bring out and that could that can be the

868
00:44:41,899 --> 00:44:38,669
case in some instances what would you

869
00:44:43,789 --> 00:44:41,909
would you say that I mean were there

870
00:44:46,279 --> 00:44:43,799
people that came in to see you and bud

871
00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:46,289
that you just eliminated automatically

872
00:44:51,409 --> 00:44:48,779
because they were not well grounded or

873
00:44:54,019 --> 00:44:51,419
you felt that their experiences might be

874
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:54,029
of some other nature than a physical

875
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:55,830
alien abduction

876
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:01,740
certainly however they were very much in

877
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:06,630
the minority also bud who was such a

878
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:10,490
good investigator had he been a police

879
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:13,470
detective God helped the criminal

880
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:16,350
element his deductive reasoning his

881
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,530
logic is not jumping to conclusions I

882
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:21,720
thought were superb

883
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:24,300
we established he established early on

884
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:28,710
that while somebody might fake this kind

885
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:31,560
of experience statistically over the

886
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:34,500
years and decades we observed as well as

887
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:38,520
we could in any kind of subjective way

888
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:41,310
that it was extremely rare however at

889
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:46,440
the same time we dealt with people who

890
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:50,250
we were convinced and there was every

891
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:52,070
kind of supporting evidence to back up

892
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:54,770
had been the through these kind of

893
00:46:05,780 --> 00:45:59,630
experiences who were highly neurotic who

894
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:05,790
were occasionally an alcoholics or you

895
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:09,000
know had other life problems that

896
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:11,640
represented statistically the general

897
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,790
public at large but you know when you

898
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:17,280
think about it I I remember several

899
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:21,330
really pronounced cases and they again

900
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:24,060
were in the minority one where an

901
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:27,510
individual who this was they got a kick

902
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,780
out of it their intention was fully to

903
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:32,760
deceive and you know I'm going to have

904
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:34,110
Peter I'm going to have to interrupt you

905
00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:35,880
here unfortunately because we are coming

906
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:38,190
to our top of the hour break we very can

907
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:39,480
do this we will continue this

908
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:42,260
conversation with Peter and Kate on

909
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:45,020
exploring the bizarre

910
00:46:55,660 --> 00:47:00,400
[Music]

911
00:47:08,839 --> 00:47:05,420
explode dissolve your e-ticket ride is

912
00:47:11,259 --> 00:47:08,849
the world of a paranoid strap yourself

913
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:11,269
e'en as we traverse the universe

914
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:16,710
exploring the unexplained UFO ghost lost

915
00:47:24,289 --> 00:47:20,460
well cryptozoology as well as other

916
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:24,299
dimensions it's time to take back the

917
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:28,680
NASA night now you are electrifying

918
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:31,980
hosts exploring the bizarre Timothy

919
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:37,410
bacne and Kings Wars oh and we're so

920
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:39,990
glad you're back with us on exploring

921
00:47:45,529 --> 00:47:42,569
the bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz Tim Beckley

922
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:45,539
is waiting in the wings in the darkness

923
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:48,569
and the shadows waiting for his I paid

924
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:53,880
my electric bill you know what be

925
00:47:58,759 --> 00:47:56,609
careful we tell people to go to the chat

926
00:48:01,849 --> 00:47:58,769
room but be careful because I think

927
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,859
Peters in there now no no no I couldn't

928
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:03,839
oh he's never been in our chat room

929
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:06,359
before not that I have either so treat

930
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:07,650
him with kindness

931
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:09,960
rest easy America I didn't find my way

932
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:13,319
in haha but to send them back to us

933
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,980
would you you have finished whatever you

934
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,440
care to be doing in the jet what goes on

935
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:21,599
in the chat room well I'll wake you

936
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:26,609
later to it to find out I guess Tim what

937
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:29,130
what what say we I mean have you ever

938
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:32,730
had abduction experience right as far as

939
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:35,700
I know no I mean I I have not even you

940
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:37,710
know I've seen a few lights in the sky

941
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:40,410
but I unfortunately I have never

942
00:48:49,789 --> 00:48:45,569
actually even had a bonafide UFO

943
00:48:51,859 --> 00:48:49,799
sighting and and you know it's funny

944
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:51,869
because I have gone out to locations you

945
00:48:57,499 --> 00:48:53,670
know with with groups you know where

946
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,509
they they do UFO hunts and you're like

947
00:49:02,720 --> 00:48:59,640
oh this location you we see UFOs on time

948
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:02,730
and I go out there with them and I I can

949
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:04,529
always tell the you know because I've

950
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:09,089
trained myself for these things that you

951
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:12,210
know people are seeing satellites planes

952
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:14,250
with their landing lights on

953
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:16,140
that sort of thing and I'm never invited

954
00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:21,330
back again well I like you know yet when

955
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:24,840
somebody like him Paul you know goes out

956
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,090
she's then only seeing mysterious lights

957
00:49:33,020 --> 00:49:29,760
in the sky but Bigfoot is closing in on

958
00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:33,030
him I mean we've got these window areas

959
00:49:37,070 --> 00:49:34,950
now in certain parts of the country of

960
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:37,080
course Pine Bush being a you know a very

961
00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:40,680
active area going back to the 1980s yeah

962
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:44,790
we're all kinds of mishegoss was was you

963
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:48,420
know taking a taking a place of in the

964
00:49:52,850 --> 00:49:50,310
in the country there I mean they had

965
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:52,860
some while experiences I did you know

966
00:49:57,170 --> 00:49:55,290
Peter did you know Ellen Crystal I did

967
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:57,180
she was a good friend I miss her Oh

968
00:50:02,560 --> 00:49:58,200
mm-hmm

969
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:06,710
Steven Tyler mmm gosh you know from

970
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:08,850
Aerosmith you know of course yeah yes

971
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:11,250
and and you know how I know that she

972
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:13,800
sent me a photograph of her and Steven

973
00:50:18,860 --> 00:50:15,960
Tyler together which I ran in UFO

974
00:50:23,060 --> 00:50:18,870
universe and I felt I had a terrible

975
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:23,070
proofreader oh no miss Feld Steven

976
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:28,050
Tyler's name in Harrisburg - no you

977
00:50:32,570 --> 00:50:29,130
missed your chance

978
00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:32,580
I did I did indeed but well you know

979
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,790
that it is what it is we we partied with

980
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:37,920
some of the greats of a rock and roll

981
00:50:43,820 --> 00:50:40,770
some of whom unfortunately are passing

982
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:43,830
away now I did some where we're losing

983
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:45,510
it you know like your band members are

984
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:49,140
right and left here I suspect and it

985
00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:53,130
said it's very very sad yeah yeah uh we

986
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:55,950
woke up we've got a question in our in

987
00:51:02,930 --> 00:50:58,920
the chat room but I think that before we

988
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:02,940
ask that question I'd like to know from

989
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:07,530
Kate about how she got the idea in the

990
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:08,130
first place

991
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,780
to to use magnets in you know I don't

992
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,640
know you know in search of her implants

993
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:17,040
or just on a whim or just exactly how

994
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:18,320
that came about

995
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:22,170
yeah it wasn't my idea actually over the

996
00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:24,030
years as I said I've been thinking that

997
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:25,860
maybe have an implant maybe I don't but

998
00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:26,670
the it's how

999
00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:30,150
been so much in my mind actually but I

1000
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:32,760
heard the mind seal Goldberg from Canada

1001
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:36,540
he was working on a case there and they

1002
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:38,850
were trying magnets on this person and

1003
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:43,170
the magnet was sticking so he was the

1004
00:51:46,850 --> 00:51:44,970
one that was telling me why don't you

1005
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:46,860
buy these magnets and try it on yourself

1006
00:51:51,610 --> 00:51:48,990
because I knew that I had this little

1007
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:51,620
triangle shaped little thing on my neck

1008
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:54,930
so I think okay why not try I can do

1009
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:58,680
that so I was buying the magnets and one

1010
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,050
thing is the thing that he maybe have

1011
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:04,800
implants and then maybe it will stick to

1012
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:07,290
the feeling that it actually is sticking

1013
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:12,780
that's a big WOW so yeah and then it was

1014
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:15,810
I had a friend over and he said your

1015
00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:17,730
nose has been closed all the time why

1016
00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:19,950
don't you try it on your nose too

1017
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:23,430
just for fun and the Magnus was sticking

1018
00:52:30,590 --> 00:52:28,140
there too mmm so okay hmm then we have

1019
00:52:32,330 --> 00:52:30,600
to and then it was three so then we were

1020
00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:32,340
thinking okay why don't we take a little

1021
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:34,950
research so we were going over my whole

1022
00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:37,440
body with the magnets and of course we

1023
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:39,990
was prepared as we were preparing it for

1024
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,200
it so I needed to be not flat not to

1025
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:45,420
call just normal temperature as possible

1026
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:48,780
and clean skin so it would not be oily

1027
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:52,770
or anything so because yeah if it is

1028
00:53:00,200 --> 00:52:55,890
then it can easily stick and then we

1029
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:00,210
found 25 places symmetrical place and if

1030
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:02,040
you put the magnets just in a half

1031
00:53:11,290 --> 00:53:06,420
centimeter up outside from that point it

1032
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:11,300
will fall off so yeah it was a big Wow

1033
00:53:17,110 --> 00:53:14,220
when I have bigger the magnets that you

1034
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:17,120
use I mean with a magnet we talked about

1035
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:20,490
let me see often I never remember the

1036
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:26,280
name for it Neil dune dune Enuma no we

1037
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:27,930
know that we we know them very well

1038
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:30,090
yeah let me jump in here for a moment oh

1039
00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:33,320
there they're small I would say they're

1040
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:36,660
you know at most half an inch across

1041
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:40,680
fairly flat just small circular

1042
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:43,290
flat magnets we've all we will have the

1043
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:45,930
Sun on YouTube we will have photos so

1044
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:48,770
there's like a rare-earth magnets I

1045
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:51,270
don't know about that but well that's

1046
00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:53,250
that's that's that's the term for a

1047
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:55,430
certain kind of your small powerful

1048
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:57,450
magnet you can buy in like an Amazon

1049
00:54:01,280 --> 00:53:58,740
some like they're called like rare earth

1050
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:01,290
magnets yeah okay well now Kate though

1051
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:04,170
what why why do you think that I've

1052
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:05,609
heard of stories and I've seen people

1053
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:07,619
like on Ripley's Believe It or Not you

1054
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:09,420
know you can you can put a spoon and

1055
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:11,910
it'll stay on their chest or some other

1056
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:13,020
you know they're like a human

1057
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:15,030
refrigerator or something like that

1058
00:54:21,710 --> 00:54:18,780
where everything is six to them I mean

1059
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:21,720
it does this do you think have something

1060
00:54:29,180 --> 00:54:23,880
to do with your your contacts or is it

1061
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:29,190
just a peculiar gift that you have Ida

1062
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:32,520
five I don't know for me it would be for

1063
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:34,290
me it's natural to believe that they

1064
00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:36,690
yeah that they have a putting something

1065
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:40,829
there or done something and but did the

1066
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:42,569
same thing is that to the magnets they

1067
00:54:47,289 --> 00:54:44,280
are sticking on it looks like they are

1068
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:47,299
following them married the arm system

1069
00:54:53,299 --> 00:54:50,130
of course we are not to finished with

1070
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:53,309
this this case yet because there are

1071
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:55,260
still a lot of questions that remains so

1072
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:58,559
and I answer to the questions that I saw

1073
00:55:04,030 --> 00:55:00,780
in this chat room about the why medical

1074
00:55:08,809 --> 00:55:04,040
people haven't been taking looking at it

1075
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:08,819
it is that since this are you four

1076
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:11,099
related most of the medical people they

1077
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:13,380
are afraid to touch it and those who

1078
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:15,420
will touch it they will not leave their

1079
00:55:21,799 --> 00:55:19,619
names out there and we were seized my

1080
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:21,809
friends in you follow right he has big

1081
00:55:26,539 --> 00:55:24,960
connections area in in Norway and he

1082
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:26,549
knew this guy that was a chiropractor

1083
00:55:34,819 --> 00:55:31,230
and that he has his own x-rays machines

1084
00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:34,829
in that Center so I was coming in there

1085
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:36,660
and they were not registrated me or

1086
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:38,339
anything they're just getting me in

1087
00:55:44,359 --> 00:55:40,260
quick in and quick out taking the

1088
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:44,369
pictures and giving me the CDs so they

1089
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:47,670
wouldn't dare to go out with it if I can

1090
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:52,319
jump in here first Tim remember that if

1091
00:55:57,790 --> 00:55:54,470
the magnets that Kate is referring

1092
00:56:01,240 --> 00:55:57,800
two are like half a centimeter off the

1093
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:01,250
exact spot they won't stick there is

1094
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:04,430
that one area also regarding medical

1095
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:07,970
professionals and implants fear of

1096
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:11,090
ridicule is endemic especially in fields

1097
00:56:16,089 --> 00:56:14,090
like that and it's still so strongly

1098
00:56:18,490 --> 00:56:16,099
ingrained that it can impugn your

1099
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:18,500
reputation I mean we all know this it's

1100
00:56:24,910 --> 00:56:22,190
part of the culture however at the

1101
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:24,920
height of working with bud which I did

1102
00:56:30,099 --> 00:56:26,510
on and off for about half of our

1103
00:56:34,510 --> 00:56:30,109
friendship of 35 years we had developed

1104
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:34,520
a what we'd call a referral team of

1105
00:56:39,849 --> 00:56:37,250
nearly a hundred medical and mental

1106
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:39,859
health professionals psychologist

1107
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:43,070
psychiatric social workers nurses a

1108
00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:46,490
handful of actual psychiatrists every

1109
00:56:53,260 --> 00:56:51,140
different kind of therapist who very few

1110
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:53,270
of them public about their interest in

1111
00:56:59,079 --> 00:56:55,369
the subject but quite a number of them

1112
00:57:01,000 --> 00:56:59,089
confiding to bud and he to me that the

1113
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:01,010
reason they even got into the healing

1114
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:04,130
arts was because they were abductees or

1115
00:57:08,829 --> 00:57:06,380
they were experiences and if it became

1116
00:57:10,930 --> 00:57:08,839
public they might lose their license to

1117
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,940
practice in their states it's actually

1118
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:13,280
that ferocious however there are

1119
00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:15,530
exceptions to the rule and one of them

1120
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:18,320
whose names that you know Tim is the

1121
00:57:24,339 --> 00:57:21,710
late great dr. Roger Kay leer Oh luli

1122
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:24,349
was a podiatric surgeon a foot

1123
00:57:31,089 --> 00:57:28,070
specialist Roger became involved in this

1124
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,099
subject to such a degree that he

1125
00:57:36,579 --> 00:57:33,680
basically threw caution to the winds as

1126
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:36,589
far as his public reputation went he and

1127
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:38,330
he continued to do his professional work

1128
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,690
superbly but he was a public person in

1129
00:57:46,089 --> 00:57:43,280
the work until we lost him about 10

1130
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:46,099
years ago to cancer I considered Roger

1131
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:48,890
to a dear friend and he wrote I think

1132
00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:51,260
two books the one that I'm looking at

1133
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:54,020
right now I would recommend that anybody

1134
00:58:00,460 --> 00:57:57,970
with a serious interest in this subject

1135
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:00,470
especially if you have a technical

1136
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:02,630
background or are a medical or mental

1137
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,910
health professional that you add to your

1138
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,280
library it's called the aliens and the

1139
00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:08,880
scalpel

1140
00:58:14,830 --> 00:58:11,220
whitley strieber wrote a very fine

1141
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:14,840
forward to it and it's absolutely

1142
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:18,810
fascinating to approach and live this

1143
00:58:28,330 --> 00:58:23,490
subject through rogers courage curiosity

1144
00:58:31,070 --> 00:58:28,340
and as you might suspect he did remove

1145
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:31,080
quite a number of them from people at

1146
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,190
their request i saw some of them and we

1147
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:36,960
have a member of the research community

1148
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:40,730
Derrel Sims implants are his specialty

1149
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:44,300
I've seen ever so many scans of them and

1150
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:48,210
most of them not all most of them break

1151
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,730
down into two different areas they're

1152
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:53,520
either seemingly metallic based or

1153
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:56,910
silicone base they're roundish like a BB

1154
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:00,660
or more like a grain of rice one case

1155
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,480
that Roger really broke through some

1156
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,720
extraordinary information on revolved

1157
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:09,119
around the question of everybody knows

1158
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:10,710
you don't should be medical profession

1159
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:16,290
professional if you have a an infection

1160
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,010
if you have a splinter white blood cells

1161
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:23,040
will recognize it immediately and rush

1162
00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:26,970
to the area and if it is an infection

1163
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:30,900
there will be a fight there why is it

1164
00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:33,540
that with this whole history of implants

1165
00:59:40,550 --> 00:59:37,700
the body has always failed to recognize

1166
00:59:43,790 --> 00:59:40,560
that fact and that there's never a

1167
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,800
crisis at the site of the implant itself

1168
00:59:48,859 --> 00:59:46,680
well what Roger did and and hearing him

1169
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:48,869
talk about it in person was absolutely

1170
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:52,440
galvanizing was established that there

1171
01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:57,000
was a very very extraordinarily thin

1172
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,660
coating but it was so tough that he

1173
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:02,880
couldn't cut it off with a surgical

1174
01:00:08,260 --> 01:00:03,930
scalpel

1175
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:08,270
it literally acted as a stealth

1176
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:11,940
protection the body never recognizes

1177
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:14,609
that these things are there and that is

1178
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:17,640
an absolute fact well documented by

1179
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:19,770
Roger in this book a number of

1180
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:21,650
scientific papers

1181
01:00:26,910 --> 01:00:24,260
there are no active medical

1182
01:00:31,390 --> 01:00:26,920
professionals right now who are fully

1183
01:00:34,059 --> 01:00:31,400
out or out there is public people who

1184
01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:34,069
have picked up the path that Roger

1185
01:00:40,269 --> 01:00:37,150
pioneered and they have my absolute

1186
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:40,279
understanding and it's a damn shame that

1187
01:00:46,839 --> 01:00:42,700
we live in a culture where this is still

1188
01:00:49,269 --> 01:00:46,849
a level of potential ridicule that you

1189
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:49,279
know for a layperson you can you know

1190
01:00:52,890 --> 01:00:51,380
have your friends make fun of you but if

1191
01:00:55,779 --> 01:00:52,900
you're a medical or mental mental

1192
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:55,789
medical professionals or an astronomer

1193
01:01:00,730 --> 01:00:58,970
or what have you you can be hounded to

1194
01:01:03,789 --> 01:01:00,740
the point where you leave the work or

1195
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:03,799
are forced out as a kook or a quack and

1196
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:06,170
your colleagues will never check the

1197
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:08,809
data because as Kate very correctly

1198
01:01:13,690 --> 01:01:11,450
pointed out why bother it's UFO stuff I

1199
01:01:15,730 --> 01:01:13,700
know it isn't real if it was we don't

1200
01:01:19,299 --> 01:01:15,740
know about it and that's the logic we're

1201
01:01:23,319 --> 01:01:19,309
still governed by mmm i found that also

1202
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:23,329
too you know doing this a book that just

1203
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:26,809
came out the matrix control system of

1204
01:01:33,279 --> 01:01:29,690
philip k dick he was pretty much

1205
01:01:37,569 --> 01:01:33,289
ostracized by members of the science

1206
01:01:40,140 --> 01:01:37,579
fiction community I made that okay but

1207
01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:40,150
you you left but you know why because

1208
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:44,420
the higher-ups in the science fiction of

1209
01:01:52,269 --> 01:01:48,650
a field like as acai Sam often arthur c

1210
01:01:54,609 --> 01:01:52,279
clarke and a Ray Bradbury who never

1211
01:01:57,220 --> 01:01:54,619
investigated any of these cases in their

1212
01:02:00,370 --> 01:01:57,230
life would say oh you know there's

1213
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:00,380
everything nothing to any of this you

1214
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:02,450
know you will have to be an idiot to

1215
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:06,140
believe it and of course the peons and

1216
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:07,970
the masses who follow science fiction

1217
01:02:13,779 --> 01:02:11,210
who I have very little respect for would

1218
01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:13,789
say oh yes arthur c clarke yes arthur's

1219
01:02:18,730 --> 01:02:15,829
all isaac asimov know better than

1220
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:18,740
anybody else in the damn world yeah well

1221
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:21,770
no you know that what I need to take my

1222
01:02:26,890 --> 01:02:24,440
blood pressure medication now is red tip

1223
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:26,900
you know that Ray Bradbury were actually

1224
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,210
once said that he was convinced that

1225
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:32,000
there was no such thing as UFOs because

1226
01:02:35,350 --> 01:02:34,010
if there were he said that somebody

1227
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:35,360
would have told

1228
01:02:43,450 --> 01:02:39,410
him how about that well I'll add to that

1229
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:43,460
Tim doing what I do and speaking fairly

1230
01:02:48,070 --> 01:02:44,960
regularly at conferences around the

1231
01:02:51,490 --> 01:02:48,080
country and sometimes abroad you would

1232
01:02:54,010 --> 01:02:51,500
think in kind of an open logical way

1233
01:02:56,650 --> 01:02:54,020
that people who are serious fans of

1234
01:02:58,330 --> 01:02:56,660
science fiction would at least be

1235
01:03:01,420 --> 01:02:58,340
open-minded enough to embrace these

1236
01:03:03,610 --> 01:03:01,430
possibilities or imagine if it's if it

1237
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:03,620
is real I'm you know say I'm a Star Trek

1238
01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:06,650
geek or a Star Wars person or a Bradbury

1239
01:03:11,950 --> 01:03:10,430
fan or whatever that um Wow you know

1240
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:11,960
there are these UFO books I want to look

1241
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:14,930
at it the ridicule is just as strong and

1242
01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:16,730
in fact I had a very interesting

1243
01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:17,630
experience

1244
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:21,580
just this past January as you guys know

1245
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,530
Associate Producer of outstanding

1246
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:27,200
documentary called Travis the true story

1247
01:03:32,530 --> 01:03:30,050
of Travis Walton and have done any

1248
01:03:35,530 --> 01:03:32,540
number of speaking dates with him and

1249
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:35,540
screenings probably about 20 at this

1250
01:03:41,740 --> 01:03:37,610
point over the past year and a half the

1251
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:41,750
film has been available in January we

1252
01:03:49,350 --> 01:03:45,680
were invited our brilliant executive

1253
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:49,360
producer jennifer stein submitted the

1254
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:52,010
documentary to the philip k dick film

1255
01:03:57,850 --> 01:03:55,190
festival in the u.s. city and we just

1256
01:04:01,420 --> 01:03:57,860
went to this year's event two weeks ago

1257
01:04:04,450 --> 01:04:01,430
yeah and we I don't we didn't cross

1258
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:04,460
paths there but I was particularly

1259
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,250
interested in seeing this audience's

1260
01:04:12,490 --> 01:04:10,400
reaction and I mean seeing it because

1261
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:12,500
after it was over we did a Q&A and I was

1262
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:15,680
looking at these faces and it was a

1263
01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:17,770
showstopper for a lot of these people

1264
01:04:25,090 --> 01:04:21,320
they I think for some of them it really

1265
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,100
was a shock that this case is so well

1266
01:04:30,940 --> 01:04:27,920
documented that there's um you really

1267
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:30,950
have to be in total denial to believe

1268
01:04:36,090 --> 01:04:32,930
that you know was made up or something

1269
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:36,100
it the proof is incontrovertible and

1270
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:39,530
they expressed a few of them that up

1271
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:42,290
until that point it wasn't anything that

1272
01:04:47,530 --> 01:04:44,690
they took seriously I think in the same

1273
01:04:49,060 --> 01:04:47,540
way that I think if 3 percent of you

1274
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:49,070
know dedicated American

1275
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:51,710
I sports fans who you know go to the

1276
01:04:55,870 --> 01:04:54,050
games and buy the jerseys and are

1277
01:04:58,930 --> 01:04:55,880
involved in the world of their favorite

1278
01:05:00,880 --> 01:04:58,940
teams simply switch that intense

1279
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:00,890
curiosity and passion to the world of

1280
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:03,410
UFO studies it could be a tipping point

1281
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:05,930
the same thing for the millions of

1282
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:08,600
science fiction fans who are as

1283
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:12,440
convinced as you know they're their

1284
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,170
other counterparts that it can't be

1285
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:16,880
therefore it isn't therefore it's not my

1286
01:05:22,180 --> 01:05:20,480
time worth my time and that's that's the

1287
01:05:24,580 --> 01:05:22,190
impasse at the moment for many people

1288
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,590
well now you know this year's a event

1289
01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:26,480
and we had the organizer was on our show

1290
01:05:34,540 --> 01:05:30,950
up three weeks ago Club at Rockefeller

1291
01:05:37,470 --> 01:05:34,550
was one of the presenters there and one

1292
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:37,480
of the main attractions was a short film

1293
01:05:44,890 --> 01:05:42,110
that was done about Ingo Swan III and

1294
01:05:47,980 --> 01:05:44,900
job Hieronymus was there and ah you know

1295
01:05:51,010 --> 01:05:47,990
some of the old gang so I found that

1296
01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:51,020
actually refreshing that this what this

1297
01:05:55,780 --> 01:05:53,990
group here did seem to well there

1298
01:05:57,610 --> 01:05:55,790
certainly is a crossover because if you

1299
01:06:00,700 --> 01:05:57,620
read my book and anything else on fella

1300
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:00,710
a philip k dick you realize that he was

1301
01:06:07,090 --> 01:06:04,850
a way ahead of his time I made you know

1302
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,100
physicists now we're talking about multi

1303
01:06:12,250 --> 01:06:09,440
year you know dimensional universes and

1304
01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:12,260
portals and string theories and all this

1305
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:15,020
stuff and and he I don't know whether he

1306
01:06:21,790 --> 01:06:17,930
termed the coined the term but he used

1307
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:21,800
the term the matrix back in 1977 you

1308
01:06:29,890 --> 01:06:26,050
know he was giving a presentation for a

1309
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:29,900
science fiction convention in France and

1310
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:32,450
he gave a press conference and at this

1311
01:06:37,810 --> 01:06:34,760
press conference he announced all the

1312
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:37,820
weird things that it had happened to him

1313
01:06:44,620 --> 01:06:41,690
and you could see the absolutely stunned

1314
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:44,630
and quizzical and bewildered looks of

1315
01:06:49,390 --> 01:06:46,730
the people in the audience just like you

1316
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:49,400
described like you know what is this guy

1317
01:06:53,350 --> 01:06:51,920
on and of course he in the case of silk

1318
01:06:56,380 --> 01:06:53,360
a dick he might have been on a few

1319
01:06:59,950 --> 01:06:56,390
things but you know I synchronicities I

1320
01:07:02,470 --> 01:06:59,960
found out the Gateway to this damn UFO

1321
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:02,480
and mera normal thing I mean I

1322
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:04,250
know what the explanation is and I don't

1323
01:07:08,830 --> 01:07:06,650
know if there are if there's somebody up

1324
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:08,840
in the control panel there that's using

1325
01:07:12,609 --> 01:07:11,090
a joystick or whether the kids come on

1326
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:12,619
at four o'clock in the afternoon you

1327
01:07:18,790 --> 01:07:15,680
know at the inn and wherever they are

1328
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:18,800
and take control of it and and then the

1329
01:07:22,270 --> 01:07:20,450
parents find out two hours later and

1330
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:22,280
take the stick I don't know it's a or

1331
01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:25,609
maybe it was all program a million years

1332
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:28,190
ago at the beginning of creation and

1333
01:07:34,090 --> 01:07:31,280
they went away I mean that's kind of

1334
01:07:37,090 --> 01:07:34,100
this what I kind of subscribe to is that

1335
01:07:39,099 --> 01:07:37,100
we're here and we got to take care of

1336
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:39,109
ourselves man because it doesn't look

1337
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:41,570
like anybody else you know I mean even

1338
01:07:44,770 --> 01:07:43,250
the space brothers they talk about you

1339
01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:44,780
know enlightenment and the coming here

1340
01:07:50,050 --> 01:07:47,960
to help us and all and I don't see too

1341
01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:50,060
many you know amputee they haven't put

1342
01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:52,760
any money in my pocket for sure they

1343
01:07:59,410 --> 01:07:55,960
don't put food on the the the table and

1344
01:08:03,130 --> 01:07:59,420
I have a million I haven't I haven't had

1345
01:08:06,099 --> 01:08:03,140
the opportunity into it meets them

1346
01:08:08,340 --> 01:08:06,109
Jossie so I mean one of my you know what

1347
01:08:10,750 --> 01:08:08,350
what am i what am i doing all this for

1348
01:08:15,970 --> 01:08:10,760
accepted every Thursday night we come

1349
01:08:18,220 --> 01:08:15,980
into the k g:k do our a studio here in

1350
01:08:21,010 --> 01:08:18,230
las vegas well I'm not in Las Vegas but

1351
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,020
instead around we chat about this but

1352
01:08:26,260 --> 01:08:23,359
enough about that I'm just let's see

1353
01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:26,270
we've got a break coming up in in two

1354
01:08:31,150 --> 01:08:28,460
seconds here and then we minute

1355
01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:31,160
minutes and then we will be back with

1356
01:08:36,579 --> 01:08:34,220
the last segment of the show and more

1357
01:08:40,269 --> 01:08:36,589
questions are forthcoming to Peter and

1358
01:08:42,970 --> 01:08:40,279
to Kate and maybe we'll even throw a few

1359
01:08:46,329 --> 01:08:42,980
out to Tim Schwartz who is anxious to

1360
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:46,339
answer all the questions that we have

1361
01:08:51,099 --> 01:08:49,670
before us this evening and we've got

1362
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:51,109
some great shows coming up in the future

1363
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:53,810
as well and don't forget you can find us

1364
01:09:00,970 --> 01:08:57,410
on youtube at mr. UF o--'s secret files

1365
01:09:02,829 --> 01:09:00,980
and we're now on stitcher iTunes and

1366
01:09:06,519 --> 01:09:02,839
Google Play and I don't know how to get

1367
01:09:08,050 --> 01:09:06,529
to any of them but who's you just have a

1368
01:09:11,650 --> 01:09:08,060
great time you can listen now with all

1369
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:11,660
six years and go that's that's all that

1370
01:09:16,499 --> 01:09:14,960
possibly matters and on YouTube we will

1371
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:16,509
see Kate with her man

1372
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:18,580
and that's something we're looking

1373
01:09:24,210 --> 01:09:21,730
forward to doing and we will be right

1374
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:24,220
back I think Tim in in just a few

1375
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:27,690
minutes with the concluding episode of

1376
01:09:43,740 --> 01:09:40,900
exploring the Azhar now back to its low

1377
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,750
in the bazaar with two of the most

1378
01:09:49,019 --> 01:09:45,520
intact refining researchers were

1379
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:49,029
paranoid your hosts Timothy evacuate

1380
01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:55,120
Anton Schwartz walk about to exploring

1381
01:10:00,510 --> 01:09:56,940
the bazaar here we are Tim once again

1382
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:00,520
just less than a half-hour left on the

1383
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:03,370
show and I should note that we've been

1384
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:04,780
getting a lot of questions in our chat

1385
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:06,940
room and Kate has been nice enough to go

1386
01:10:12,750 --> 01:10:10,800
over there and has been chatting up and

1387
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:12,760
answering some of these questions but I

1388
01:10:19,290 --> 01:10:15,610
want to ask Kate just a couple of these

1389
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:19,300
questions on air so that our listeners

1390
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:21,730
can hear this as well and one of them

1391
01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:24,280
from Jeremy Jeremy asked us Kate have

1392
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:26,470
kids and if so have they had any

1393
01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:28,360
experiences sightings abductions

1394
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:31,030
wondering if they will follow family

1395
01:10:35,070 --> 01:10:33,250
lines well and not just not just kids I

1396
01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:35,080
guess but I mean you know any other

1397
01:10:39,630 --> 01:10:37,480
members of your family Kate you know

1398
01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:39,640
parents grandparents cousins that sort

1399
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:43,180
of thing yeah actually my grandfather's

1400
01:10:48,930 --> 01:10:45,850
here you never met them but he saw the

1401
01:10:50,940 --> 01:10:48,940
spaceship over domin and the place where

1402
01:10:53,780 --> 01:10:50,950
they were living many many many years

1403
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:53,790
ago and my mother she has also seen them

1404
01:11:01,080 --> 01:10:56,530
so yeah you can say it runs to the

1405
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:01,090
family well we've heard that before

1406
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:03,940
heavily Peter where there seems to be a

1407
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,010
generational thing when it comes to the

1408
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,040
account of context you know Tim back

1409
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:11,920
when serious investigation into the

1410
01:11:17,820 --> 01:11:15,370
so-called abduction phenomena began and

1411
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:17,830
that would have been in the late 1970s

1412
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:22,960
the world of UFO studies was composed

1413
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:25,330
almost entirely of middle aged geeky

1414
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:30,050
guys and I understand the

1415
01:11:36,729 --> 01:11:33,170
at the fear of ridicule was such that

1416
01:11:39,549 --> 01:11:36,739
you want to seem as on loopy as possible

1417
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:39,559
and there was good cause to keep the

1418
01:11:45,970 --> 01:11:43,070
study essentially combined to radar

1419
01:11:50,609 --> 01:11:45,980
returns you know analysis of alleged

1420
01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:50,619
landing sites charting statistics as

1421
01:11:56,399 --> 01:11:53,750
David Jacob said at one point the focus

1422
01:11:59,530 --> 01:11:56,409
was on the cars and not the drivers and

1423
01:12:02,649 --> 01:11:59,540
the first understandable theoretical

1424
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:02,659
ideas around abduction was that the odds

1425
01:12:07,209 --> 01:12:03,829
against it

1426
01:12:08,799 --> 01:12:07,219
were so extreme that it was like getting

1427
01:12:11,410 --> 01:12:08,809
hit by lightning and if it had to happen

1428
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:11,420
to you once overwhelming odds it would

1429
01:12:15,459 --> 01:12:12,290
never happen again

1430
01:12:16,089 --> 01:12:15,469
what not what we believe not what we

1431
01:12:19,149 --> 01:12:16,099
think

1432
01:12:22,750 --> 01:12:19,159
but the statistical data has borne out

1433
01:12:25,209 --> 01:12:22,760
just the opposite namely if it has

1434
01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:25,219
happened to you the likelihood is

1435
01:12:29,549 --> 01:12:27,320
overwhelming that it has been happening

1436
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:29,559
to you on and off with whatever

1437
01:12:38,589 --> 01:12:34,130
irregular irregular timing since you

1438
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:38,599
were very young like ket and that it

1439
01:12:44,799 --> 01:12:41,570
does run in families they're literally

1440
01:12:49,229 --> 01:12:44,809
following bloodlines this was very

1441
01:12:52,629 --> 01:12:49,239
unnerving to me when I first began to

1442
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:52,639
see the actual statistical data and talk

1443
01:12:59,200 --> 01:12:56,510
in some cases I remember and always will

1444
01:13:01,810 --> 01:12:59,210
meetings and conversations at times with

1445
01:13:04,839 --> 01:13:01,820
three generations in the same family

1446
01:13:08,729 --> 01:13:04,849
when I was working with bud

1447
01:13:12,490 --> 01:13:08,739
all of whom supported each other I I

1448
01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:12,500
deal with people now where the children

1449
01:13:19,569 --> 01:13:16,280
and one parent almost overwhelmingly one

1450
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:19,579
rather than both have this happened and

1451
01:13:26,859 --> 01:13:23,449
it causes a particular bond sometimes it

1452
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:26,869
can put great stress on families or on

1453
01:13:33,010 --> 01:13:30,260
siblings or on a husband and wife for

1454
01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:33,020
all the reasons that as human beings we

1455
01:13:41,229 --> 01:13:36,520
can understand but the fact that kids

1456
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:41,239
grandfather and mother have an awareness

1457
01:13:50,620 --> 01:13:45,320
and at least sighting experiences is is

1458
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:50,630
completely unsurprising to me well what

1459
01:13:57,970 --> 01:13:54,050
about now Jeremy in the chatroom

1460
01:14:01,600 --> 01:13:57,980
beginners ask are there any scars near

1461
01:14:03,339 --> 01:14:01,610
of the implants that the that you

1462
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:03,349
discovered there with you Magus is there

1463
01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:06,050
any anything on the surface of your skin

1464
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:08,329
that you know indicates that something

1465
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,489
has happened there nothing nothing at

1466
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:13,280
all I'm like a building here if the

1467
01:14:16,959 --> 01:14:15,260
water in this card okay of course and I

1468
01:14:18,939 --> 01:14:16,969
can just look for the scars and Dania

1469
01:14:21,729 --> 01:14:18,949
instead of searching the whole body with

1470
01:14:24,069 --> 01:14:21,739
magnets and let me add here that in

1471
01:14:26,770 --> 01:14:24,079
every legitimate case that I have ever

1472
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:26,780
investigated that I'm aware that bud or

1473
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:29,210
other leading researchers and certainly

1474
01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:33,650
dr. Leir there never are when M these

1475
01:14:39,310 --> 01:14:36,340
implants are close to the surface one

1476
01:14:41,740 --> 01:14:39,320
logically would only deduce that it

1477
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:41,750
subcutaneously introduce to a small slit

1478
01:14:47,470 --> 01:14:44,719
or something if that's the case I mean

1479
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:47,480
how we're stuck with our own reality how

1480
01:14:52,089 --> 01:14:49,400
they get in there is part of the mystery

1481
01:14:55,450 --> 01:14:52,099
as far as I'm concerned there should be

1482
01:14:59,229 --> 01:14:55,460
something discernible perhaps there have

1483
01:15:02,290 --> 01:14:59,239
the technology to make that opening put

1484
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:02,300
it in and then completely erase it with

1485
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:04,369
advanced medical technology or what have

1486
01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:07,130
you I remember one of the most memorable

1487
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:11,150
ones I ever saw was from an individual

1488
01:15:19,959 --> 01:15:14,110
that bud had been working with who had a

1489
01:15:23,979 --> 01:15:19,969
round BB sized foreign object in their

1490
01:15:25,390 --> 01:15:23,989
brain I don't remember what part of the

1491
01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:25,400
skull but I remember it was about an

1492
01:15:31,870 --> 01:15:28,909
inch in and it was completely round it

1493
01:15:34,660 --> 01:15:31,880
was anomalous it was metallic there's no

1494
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,670
way that we can ever figure how it got

1495
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:37,040
there it didn't seem to be recognized as

1496
01:15:41,799 --> 01:15:38,690
a problem for the brain it was just

1497
01:15:44,020 --> 01:15:41,809
there but that is part of the mystery

1498
01:15:46,030 --> 01:15:44,030
and part of the reality of these

1499
01:15:46,930 --> 01:15:46,040
incredibly fascinating and sometimes

1500
01:15:49,569 --> 01:15:46,940
unnerving

1501
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:49,579
bits of technology well you know the

1502
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:53,440
thing that occurs to me is that

1503
01:15:59,600 --> 01:15:56,890
with having these objects embedded in

1504
01:16:01,740 --> 01:15:59,610
your body and they are obviously

1505
01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:01,750
metallic at least far as we know because

1506
01:16:08,010 --> 01:16:04,630
they were silicon based well but they

1507
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:08,020
attract a magnet now Satan's does yeah

1508
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:09,550
Kate is right okay

1509
01:16:14,430 --> 01:16:12,550
no no but with with Kate she's going to

1510
01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:14,440
have to be you know cautious throughout

1511
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:21,000
her life to avoid any MRI procedures

1512
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:25,390
because you know these magnetic magnetic

1513
01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:28,570
resonance imaging systems are so

1514
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:30,430
powerful that even after they're turned

1515
01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:33,760
off they're still highly magnetic I know

1516
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:36,430
one time I was I was in a hospital when

1517
01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:38,710
I worked in television and I was

1518
01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:42,280
videotaping a new MRI device it had been

1519
01:16:46,380 --> 01:16:44,980
brought in and I was in a separate room

1520
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:46,390
shooting through the window and this

1521
01:16:52,410 --> 01:16:47,920
device when it was turned on was so

1522
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:52,420
powerful it was actually for whatever

1523
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,090
better word it was sucking the image out

1524
01:16:59,190 --> 01:16:57,520
of my viewfinder towards it because I

1525
01:17:02,220 --> 01:16:59,200
because I could see I mean in that

1526
01:17:03,930 --> 01:17:02,230
direction my image you know it looked

1527
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:03,940
like it was actually going down a drain

1528
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:08,320
towards that machine so good you know I

1529
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:10,630
just want to ask it the Kate how about

1530
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:13,570
when you go through the airport I mean

1531
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:16,570
do you register a video do you go off

1532
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:20,050
like a ticking time bomb you have no

1533
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:22,510
idea how many times how are getting that

1534
01:17:27,150 --> 01:17:25,090
question know there I'm just like

1535
01:17:31,050 --> 01:17:27,160
everyone else when I'm going through the

1536
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:31,060
through the scan if one of the things

1537
01:17:34,710 --> 01:17:33,130
that yes arresting though no one of the

1538
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:34,720
bank no that is but I like this not me

1539
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:39,130
every time though maybe I don't yeah

1540
01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:40,870
hey I didn't steal this question from

1541
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:43,060
Kathy she Skype wanted to know the same

1542
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:44,650
thing they just asked I didn't even I

1543
01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:47,500
didn't even see that the there but that

1544
01:17:53,550 --> 01:17:50,440
also we have Ryan on skype everybody's

1545
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:53,560
on skype tonight Ryan wants to know Kate

1546
01:18:00,720 --> 01:17:55,600
have you had any men in black

1547
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:00,730
experiences no never know who we have

1548
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:05,050
all right guys I even think that men in

1549
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:06,060
black men

1550
01:18:12,230 --> 01:18:08,750
black dresses can look nice not know

1551
01:18:18,530 --> 01:18:12,240
nothing nothing that's why I met in any

1552
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:18,540
other color outfits oh man and Jeremy I

1553
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:20,010
don't know did we ask this one Tim

1554
01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:22,290
Jeremy wants to know are there any scars

1555
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:24,780
near the implants yeah we have fat one

1556
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:29,970
we did okay we're done I remember

1557
01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:31,290
talking with minam black maybe two

1558
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:33,990
possibly trying to said so now going

1559
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:36,420
through the airport that's what the mmm

1560
01:18:42,170 --> 01:18:39,570
we do have again a mystery on a mystery

1561
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:42,180
here it has not been fully established

1562
01:18:48,650 --> 01:18:45,600
that these things are metallic in the

1563
01:18:51,980 --> 01:18:48,660
way we understand it and yet those small

1564
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:51,990
magnets stick to those spots and only

1565
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:54,480
those spots I have seen it you move it

1566
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:56,040
off half a centimeter one way or the

1567
01:19:00,650 --> 01:18:58,860
other and it falls off I don't

1568
01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:00,660
understand it

1569
01:19:07,580 --> 01:19:05,340
and when kate who can answer for herself

1570
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:07,590
of course has been asked you know don't

1571
01:19:12,140 --> 01:19:09,000
you want to take one out at least and

1572
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:12,150
have it examined or something if it

1573
01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:15,300
ain't broken don't fix it yeah that's

1574
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:17,550
for sure why don't with that they are I

1575
01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:21,210
didn't know I never never go and never

1576
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:23,940
go to a anybody who's going to remove

1577
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:27,420
anything from your body if you don't it

1578
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:29,400
isn't gonna it isn't going to do any

1579
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:31,530
darn good as you probably we'll know

1580
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,320
there Peter I mean that's yeah for

1581
01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:35,760
performing I think that they did there

1582
01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:37,500
they've been putting there they are

1583
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:39,540
there for a reason and since they are

1584
01:19:45,050 --> 01:19:43,020
symmetrical placed then I'm now I'm not

1585
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:45,060
feeling like I don't want to move them

1586
01:19:51,050 --> 01:19:47,610
of corner of course if I find someone

1587
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:51,060
that are not symmetrical place them mmm

1588
01:19:57,230 --> 01:19:52,890
then the questions kind of come up again

1589
01:20:00,290 --> 01:19:57,240
in fact how many how many do you have it

1590
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:00,300
was 25 but when the right before I was

1591
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:02,850
going over to the US that is fine for

1592
01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:07,920
more so it's actually hmm yeah 28 no

1593
01:20:15,140 --> 01:20:12,510
yeah so then 39 are yeah my card is all

1594
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:15,150
a bit sad sadly this morning it sucks

1595
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:17,730
very early in my place so how about in

1596
01:20:23,690 --> 01:20:19,770
the morning if I can only have any

1597
01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:23,700
have them disappeared for me it looks

1598
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,230
like that since not this 25 they have

1599
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:30,960
been active for a year but now when we

1600
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:33,930
are trying to put them all again because

1601
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:36,150
we are going to take new pictures then

1602
01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:38,010
suddenly what some of them they were not

1603
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:40,710
active anymore but then it that was

1604
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,760
because sorry Manglish at that point

1605
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:46,560
that we were started look again look

1606
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:48,360
around all the new areas and then you

1607
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:50,850
find the four more that hasn't been

1608
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,000
responding before so it looks like that

1609
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:56,880
they are someone are active for a

1610
01:21:02,360 --> 01:20:58,890
certain time then they are disconnected

1611
01:21:04,820 --> 01:21:02,370
and then some you areas are active so

1612
01:21:05,660 --> 01:21:04,830
now when you say active what exactly do

1613
01:21:08,210 --> 01:21:05,670
you mean by that

1614
01:21:11,860 --> 01:21:08,220
then magnets are sticking to them just

1615
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:11,870
add magnetizing now is there any other

1616
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:15,810
outward signs what about what's the word

1617
01:21:22,220 --> 01:21:17,640
that I'm looking for here any outward

1618
01:21:25,190 --> 01:21:22,230
signs of these implants being in your

1619
01:21:30,860 --> 01:21:25,200
butt do they react it to anything else

1620
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:30,870
besides magnets no they don't and if I

1621
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:36,000
can jump in here the fact that this is

1622
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:41,510
not unique to get case that upon

1623
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:45,570
re-examination one of these things seems

1624
01:21:52,670 --> 01:21:50,330
to have a company now or that it is gone

1625
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:52,680
perhaps certainly one of the best known

1626
01:22:00,740 --> 01:21:55,170
instances of this and it's a case I'm

1627
01:22:04,730 --> 01:22:00,750
very well informed of is the so-called

1628
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:04,740
Brooklyn Bridge UFO abductions and a

1629
01:22:11,780 --> 01:22:09,570
woman named Linda Cortile a remarkably

1630
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:11,790
well documented and absolutely

1631
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:14,850
jaw-dropping case that took up six years

1632
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:18,300
of Budd Hopkins time with me I'm proud

1633
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:21,290
to say doing some of the legwork and

1634
01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:27,420
Linda had an implant way up in her sinus

1635
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:29,910
cavity in fact probably about the same

1636
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:32,910
location that my sister Helen had urged

1637
01:22:38,930 --> 01:22:37,050
Linda Hadoop has a cousin who and I'm

1638
01:22:42,670 --> 01:22:38,940
this is all published I'm not talking

1639
01:22:48,010 --> 01:22:42,680
out of school here who did

1640
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:48,020
radiology work and didn't take Linda's

1641
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:51,300
situation terribly seriously but as a

1642
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:54,960
cousin agreed after hours that she could

1643
01:23:02,540 --> 01:22:59,520
come in and she would do an x-ray well I

1644
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:02,550
one of my few regrets about the book

1645
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:04,890
witnessed is the reproduction of that

1646
01:23:13,820 --> 01:23:10,500
x-ray in the book fails to capture its

1647
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:13,830
detail it was unlike any implant I've

1648
01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:15,960
ever seen have been aware of it almost

1649
01:23:19,460 --> 01:23:17,670
looked like it had a mechanics to it

1650
01:23:24,590 --> 01:23:19,470
almost a little watch spring coming off

1651
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:24,600
of it and Linda's cousin was so upset I

1652
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:29,310
I'm sure it was quite mind-blowing for

1653
01:23:34,460 --> 01:23:32,070
her that it really hurt their

1654
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:34,470
relationship after that Linda

1655
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:36,840
immediately decided to have it removed

1656
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,650
and the morning of that very local

1657
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:42,960
surgery she got up a little blood on the

1658
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:46,080
pillow it was gone it was gone and it

1659
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:48,450
wasn't sneezed out or something it was

1660
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:50,550
simply gone it had been removed that

1661
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:52,530
night and once again it's an

1662
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,080
uncomfortable fact that we are stuck

1663
01:24:01,250 --> 01:23:58,080
with relative to the story now

1664
01:24:04,580 --> 01:24:01,260
concerning the the placements of these

1665
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:04,590
things on you Kate I mean do they follow

1666
01:24:11,810 --> 01:24:07,520
any of the you know like traditional

1667
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:11,820
medium point you know Chi Chi lines that

1668
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:16,800
sort of thing ah now I not my English is

1669
01:24:22,580 --> 01:24:19,860
stopping me I don't have nonsense the

1670
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:22,590
the energy meridians that run through

1671
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:27,510
the body that are taken advantage of and

1672
01:24:36,670 --> 01:24:32,130
understood by the ancient procedure of

1673
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:36,680
acupuncture which properly handled is

1674
01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:40,320
remarkably effective or the more

1675
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:42,630
mystical understanding of energy current

1676
01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:45,360
through the body from what I've observed

1677
01:24:51,330 --> 01:24:46,270
there

1678
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:51,340
early in line with those aspects they

1679
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:53,920
have they appear in different parts of

1680
01:24:57,450 --> 01:24:56,080
different people's bodies and as we're

1681
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:57,460
coming in toward the end of the show

1682
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:00,360
after 40 years of research of

1683
01:25:04,740 --> 01:25:02,770
investigation on and off into the

1684
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:04,750
general phenomena and this aspect in

1685
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,210
particular which is where I began and

1686
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:10,000
where my deepest interest continues sly

1687
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:12,130
because it involves the lives of real

1688
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:15,310
people otherwise living regulation lives

1689
01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:18,640
is there's only a limited number of

1690
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:23,320
possible explanations for what these

1691
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:28,810
things are therefore one could logically

1692
01:25:35,820 --> 01:25:32,050
assume as in Katz case that they may be

1693
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:35,830
there to assist in some way on the other

1694
01:25:40,860 --> 01:25:38,100
hand they may be like little you know

1695
01:25:43,410 --> 01:25:40,870
interdimensional LoJack's that can track

1696
01:25:46,290 --> 01:25:43,420
you anywhere they may be involved in a

1697
01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:46,300
certain aspect of control or influence

1698
01:25:53,130 --> 01:25:50,470
over the individual or or or as far as

1699
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,140
I'm concerned people who say well I know

1700
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:55,600
why they're there they should be

1701
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:57,370
regarded with the smile and back away

1702
01:26:04,170 --> 01:26:01,840
slowly while you not to say that you

1703
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:04,180
know the unknowable for me is an act of

1704
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:06,490
intellectual arrogance that I have a

1705
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:09,040
problem with but again deductive

1706
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:11,650
reasoning logical thinking critical

1707
01:26:16,530 --> 01:26:14,560
analysis only limited to a number of

1708
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:16,540
possibilities and maybe it's different

1709
01:26:22,110 --> 01:26:20,080
case to case also to compound the

1710
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:22,120
mystery we don't know whether we're

1711
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:24,250
dealing with one type of entities or

1712
01:26:29,370 --> 01:26:27,520
different other intelligences that for

1713
01:26:32,190 --> 01:26:29,380
their own reasons employ this kind of

1714
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:32,200
technology also remember that for the

1715
01:26:37,770 --> 01:26:35,200
past at least 25 years that we know of

1716
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:37,780
these things have been developed and are

1717
01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:41,520
really quite perfected by his human

1718
01:26:47,070 --> 01:26:44,620
agencies and corporations I remember the

1719
01:26:49,710 --> 01:26:47,080
first article I ever read more than 20

1720
01:26:53,180 --> 01:26:49,720
odd years ago on implants it was

1721
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:53,190
specifically directed at agricultural

1722
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:55,840
communities and and farmers and the like

1723
01:27:02,700 --> 01:26:59,920
what it was was a disc about

1724
01:27:05,729 --> 01:27:02,710
the size of an American quarter with a

1725
01:27:09,330 --> 01:27:05,739
battery in it that was surgically

1726
01:27:12,450 --> 01:27:09,340
implanted with local anesthetic into a

1727
01:27:15,870 --> 01:27:12,460
slit in the ear of a cow if the cow

1728
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:15,880
would wander off the property to a

1729
01:27:20,850 --> 01:27:18,130
certain degree up to a certain you know

1730
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:20,860
distance you could track it where it is

1731
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:24,130
now is much more chilling they are

1732
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:26,770
actually now about the size of a grain

1733
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:29,050
of rice and they're marketed very

1734
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:31,870
discreetly in two areas very 1980 for

1735
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:34,510
both of them and I understand the human

1736
01:27:38,939 --> 01:27:36,730
logic behind them one is let's say

1737
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:38,949
you're involved in a private prison or

1738
01:27:45,950 --> 01:27:42,250
you know you're a federal individual

1739
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:45,960
looking to see how better to control and

1740
01:27:51,330 --> 01:27:48,880
recover you know dangerous felons if

1741
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:51,340
they escape if they have one of these in

1742
01:27:54,630 --> 01:27:52,570
them the hell with their civil rights

1743
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,640
you know they rape they murdered they

1744
01:27:58,530 --> 01:27:56,320
did whatever and we're going to get them

1745
01:28:01,729 --> 01:27:58,540
and we can track them with this in the

1746
01:28:04,919 --> 01:28:01,739
other area they directed toward

1747
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:04,929
individuals of some real financial

1748
01:28:13,890 --> 01:28:08,560
substance so much so that their children

1749
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:13,900
may be targets for kidnapping and it's a

1750
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:15,489
horrible thing on one level to think

1751
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:17,050
well I'm going to put this little LoJack

1752
01:28:21,660 --> 01:28:19,690
in my kid so if they take off I'll be

1753
01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:21,670
able to find them but that's a logic

1754
01:28:27,150 --> 01:28:24,670
that I'm forced to respect on a certain

1755
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:27,160
level that technology is here now with

1756
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:29,770
us whether it's been developed on its

1757
01:28:34,020 --> 01:28:32,290
own or you know the legendary idea

1758
01:28:36,660 --> 01:28:34,030
back-engineering this advanced

1759
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:36,670
technology it's almost a moot point they

1760
01:28:45,390 --> 01:28:39,130
have them and we have variations on them

1761
01:28:48,090 --> 01:28:45,400
as well so okay - you feel that they're

1762
01:28:51,930 --> 01:28:48,100
there to heighten your senses - you know

1763
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:51,940
connect to the matrix so to speak yeah I

1764
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:53,250
do

1765
01:28:57,330 --> 01:28:55,210
remember that I'm going to talk about

1766
01:29:01,439 --> 01:28:57,340
the GPS system that is more like for fun

1767
01:29:05,580 --> 01:29:01,449
and yeah I think that asked after all of

1768
01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:05,590
the oldest experiences I have started to

1769
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:07,660
get into areas that I was never into

1770
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:11,170
before and I haven't even yeah I'm not

1771
01:29:17,150 --> 01:29:13,810
even educated for this stuff but

1772
01:29:20,970 --> 01:29:17,160
I'm working on my second book here that

1773
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:20,980
are about astrophysics so yeah you know

1774
01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:23,410
spinning me change yeah speaking of

1775
01:29:30,510 --> 01:29:27,220
books we're closing in on the midnight

1776
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:30,520
hour here on the East Coast and the

1777
01:29:35,310 --> 01:29:32,530
ground crew is ready to come in and

1778
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,320
sweep us now or are actually maybe it's

1779
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:38,080
the air crew and this is Mason so we

1780
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:41,170
want to go around the table and Kaito so

1781
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:43,330
the names of your books where they can

1782
01:29:51,630 --> 01:29:49,600
be purchased I have a bib site and my

1783
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:51,640
first book will be called a hybrid story

1784
01:29:59,100 --> 01:29:54,610
and of course that's about my life and

1785
01:30:01,860 --> 01:29:59,110
the process of my life and yeah they're

1786
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:01,870
doing work that's available on Amazon in

1787
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:05,290
English not yet not yet it will be it

1788
01:30:11,370 --> 01:30:08,410
will be this fall this is autumn okay

1789
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,380
and your second book will be and

1790
01:30:15,630 --> 01:30:14,080
hopefully it will be done early next

1791
01:30:18,030 --> 01:30:15,640
year but of course there's a lot of

1792
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:18,040
drawings and illustrations and all the

1793
01:30:23,220 --> 01:30:20,290
things that need to be put down so yeah

1794
01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:23,230
it takes time oh wait everyone has tried

1795
01:30:27,660 --> 01:30:24,820
to make a book oh no it will take time

1796
01:30:31,740 --> 01:30:27,670
and people can find you in the meantime

1797
01:30:33,870 --> 01:30:31,750
on Facebook I spoke on you have you can

1798
01:30:38,370 --> 01:30:33,880
just search for my name and it's a

1799
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:38,380
serval from Kate or goodness he I'm so

1800
01:30:44,430 --> 01:30:41,110
tired I don't even remember my own

1801
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:44,440
website there was law issue American

1802
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:50,170
Idol come that's my website also too we

1803
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:54,250
do have a link on the K cor page so

1804
01:30:58,290 --> 01:30:56,650
people can find you rather easily and of

1805
01:31:01,890 --> 01:30:58,300
course I can always get in touch with me

1806
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:01,900
at mr. UFO a to tot mail.com and Peter

1807
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:03,520
where are you appearing

1808
01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:08,050
I'm really excited and privileged to say

1809
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:13,390
that next weekend that is June 17th and

1810
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:16,450
18th I will be speaking at a unique

1811
01:31:24,420 --> 01:31:20,170
conference in Athens Greece the second I

1812
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:24,430
want to add oh I know man I wish I could

1813
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:27,440
put you in a bag and take you with me if

1814
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:29,930
I won't fit in any ordinary bag very a

1815
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:31,610
large bag with holes in it in some

1816
01:31:37,900 --> 01:31:36,170
pickup yeah I love I love grease if

1817
01:31:39,459 --> 01:31:37,910
you're walking around though those

1818
01:31:41,380 --> 01:31:39,469
cobblestone streets

1819
01:31:44,860 --> 01:31:41,390
what kind of work it kind of wear you

1820
01:31:47,170 --> 01:31:44,870
out after a while well I know that next

1821
01:31:49,660 --> 01:31:47,180
week before the conference I will be

1822
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:49,670
visiting the Parthenon I think for about

1823
01:31:54,370 --> 01:31:52,250
the 6th time in my life and the

1824
01:31:57,250 --> 01:31:54,380
conference itself for any of your

1825
01:32:01,080 --> 01:31:57,260
listeners who more realistically are in

1826
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:01,090
Europe or the UK and can join us is the

1827
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:05,449
contact with space conference in Athens

1828
01:32:12,130 --> 01:32:09,530
17th and 18th of June it is a conference

1829
01:32:14,770 --> 01:32:12,140
that is particularly Niek in that as a

1830
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:14,780
scientific conference not just based in

1831
01:32:19,780 --> 01:32:18,320
the work of dr. Wilhelm Reich which as

1832
01:32:22,030 --> 01:32:19,790
you know is something that's been a part

1833
01:32:27,310 --> 01:32:22,040
of my life for a long time but also

1834
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:27,320
dealing with the most and controversial

1835
01:32:34,110 --> 01:32:31,030
aspect of his work his observations

1836
01:32:37,570 --> 01:32:34,120
deductions and conclusions about UFOs

1837
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:37,580
and I'm so pleased that Kate is going to

1838
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:40,880
be joining me there next weekend we're

1839
01:32:46,750 --> 01:32:43,280
going to have a week off after that and

1840
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:46,760
then with a quick stopover in Toronto

1841
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:51,370
over night I will be speaking at the

1842
01:32:56,890 --> 01:32:54,050
International UFO Museum and Research

1843
01:32:58,750 --> 01:32:56,900
Center in Roswell New Mexico at their

1844
01:33:03,280 --> 01:32:58,760
superb conference to mark the 70th

1845
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:03,290
anniversary the Roswell event on the the

1846
01:33:08,950 --> 01:33:06,650
conference is June 30th through July 2nd

1847
01:33:12,610 --> 01:33:08,960
it's one of three conferences going on

1848
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:12,620
that weekend in Roswell and I hope that

1849
01:33:16,570 --> 01:33:13,760
I'll be seeing some of your listeners

1850
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:16,580
there oh boy you are you are so you get

1851
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:19,310
to travel the world well and sometimes

1852
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:20,000
yeah

1853
01:33:23,709 --> 01:33:21,890
other times I sit here and look at my

1854
01:33:25,150 --> 01:33:23,719
computer screen and wonder if when

1855
01:33:29,650 --> 01:33:25,160
somebody will hire me to speak again

1856
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,660
yeah well there you go I want to thank

1857
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:31,520
both of you for being on Kate you're

1858
01:33:35,709 --> 01:33:33,650
very pleasant person to speak to yes

1859
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:35,719
great information we're going to follow

1860
01:33:40,340 --> 01:33:39,199
your case and and Peter worries on top

1861
01:33:42,650 --> 01:33:40,350
of whatever it is that you

1862
01:33:44,990 --> 01:33:42,660
doing so those that came out right and

1863
01:33:47,150 --> 01:33:45,000
and Tim sports they're in Jasper Indiana

1864
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:47,160
we'll be talking to you very very

1865
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:47,820
shortly

1866
01:33:53,060 --> 01:33:51,600
and thanks for tuning in and to talk to

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